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While top representatives from each country...
were convening at the UN to discuss global peace-keeping and security,
despite the lack of any official recognition,
the self-appointed G's from around the world...
are convening for the peace-keeping and security of global youths,
hence the Non-Summit Meeting.
We shall begin the session.
(Opening the session)
I'm the Chairman of Non Summit Meeting, Jun Hyun-moo.
I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon. I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We are Junyoosung!
(Welcome representatives.)
We have a returning familiar face today. During the National Liberation Day...
episode, she argued passionately, it's Amira.
Our country needs to do better,
but I believe other countries should also lend us a hand as well.
- I would like people to stop attacking my country. - Right.
What's the situation like in Libya?
(What's the situation like in Libya?)
She's not a reporter.
Reporter Amira, what's the situation like in Libya?
I made a plea on TV last time,
but IS couldn't wait and did another terrorist attack.
A lot of people were hurt by this.
There were a lot of people who died.
- It's regrettable news. - There seems to be no end to it.
It's not hopeful, right?
At least the capital of the country has not been attacked.
The capital of the country is still safe.
I understand. I hope things get better soon.
Shall we begin?
We will cover each representative's issues...
and share diverse opinions.
We discuss all global issues by saying yes or no.
Agree or Disagree, What is So Important?
(Agree or Disagree, What is So Important?)
I knew he was up to something.
I was wondering what he would do.
- I was going to hit you on the back of the head. - I was nervous.
I didn't see it.
Let's talk with Canada's representative, Guillaume Patry.
Yes, I brought an issue with me today.
"Recently in Europe, on the grounds that it would cause public disorder,
the Muslim swimsuit, burkini...
was banned. This has caused a controversy.
Prime Minister Trudeau said we must respect an individual's rights...
and a person's freedom of choice.
He's supporting the right to wear burkinis.
He has fanned the fire on this debate.
(Tolerance is respecting an individual's rights as long as they do not offend.)
(“In Canada, can we speak of acceptance, openness, friendship, understanding?)
I would like to know your opinions, so I lay this issue to the Non Summit Meeting.
Recently in the city of Nice in France, there was a picture of...
a police officer who went up to a Muslim person, who was lying on the beach...
and forcefully removed her burkini. It became controversial.
The debate about the ban on burkinis is growing.
What exactly is a burkini.
Burkini is a blend of the words, "burqa" and "bikini".
It's a whole-body swimsuit. To put it simply,
it looks like a diving suit.
They look similar. It only reveals the face.
You can only see this part of the face.
There's a lot of different types of swimsuits like that, right?
We've only heard of hijab and chador, how are they different?
There are four different types,
chador, hijab, niqab...
and also burqa.
- Hijab is like a scarf. - Is it to cover your head?
It covers everything else except the face.
A lot of people these days wear it with their normal clothes.
It's sometimes used as an accessory.
A chador is like a cape.
It's long and you can only see the face.
Niqab is worn a lot in Saudi Arabia.
You can only see the person's eyes and it is completely black.
The most conservative type of clothing would be the burqa.
- The burqa covers the eyes as well. - How do you walk around?
- You see between the gaps. - I see, the gaps.
In most Islamic countries, they wear hijabs.
Most people don't wear niqabs or burqas.
Niqabs are only worn in Saudi Arabia and where else?
- Women in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan wear it a lot. - That's right.
In Iran, women wear chadors. It's long and reveals only the face.
- In Pakistan, it's only a scarf. - When you think of burqas...
When you think of burqas, it's like a curtain.
You can raise it up like this.
When you are talking to their husbands, the women raises it up.
When they are outside, they put it down again.
The ban on burqas started in Cannes and spread all around Europe.
Why is this such a big deal in Europe?
With the rise of terrorist attacks in Europe...
(Terrorist attacks has spread around Europe.)
A lot of people are angry and scared.
So, people are becoming more nationalistic.
(I am against women wearing Islamic clothing at public places and the work place.)
Europe has banned the wearing of burkinis.
(The ban on burkinis in Europe has become a controversy.)
To be honest, most Muslim girls...
- find it hard to have fun on the beach. They can't show any part of their bodies.
It's because they can't show any part of their bodies.
That's why the burkini was created.
With this, Muslim women could also have fun in the sea.
But they have banned the only way they can have fun.
Let's discuss this. I don't think the problem is just because of the burkini.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you think...
religious clothing like burkinis and burqas shouldn't be banned?
Or do you believe they should be banned depending on the circumstances?
Do you think they should be banned? Press the button in 1, 2, 3.
Please press the button.
(There are 5 people who agree and 5 people who disagree.)
The France Representative thinks we need to ban this.
- Yes. I believe that it should be banned depending on the situation. - Okay.
Places like schools...
needs to be a neutral area.
For example I don't think children should be influenced by religion at school.
In France we had a war because of religion.
It was a very big war. I'm sure you know it. It happened in the 16th century.
That's why we have separated religion from state.
Religion and state must not mix together.
For example if a politician...
works in the city hall, he can't publicly show his religious beliefs.
He can't publicly show it.
In Italy, you can wear burqas, hijabs and burkinis.
It doesn't matter.
I think that's common sense. However, a person with a cover face...
cannot enter the bank.
You can't go to school with your face covered.
We have a law stating...
- that you can't go to public places with your face covered. - Right.
In Italy when we try to enter a bank,
we have to show our faces and ID before we can enter.
Afterwards, we can just cover ourselves up again.
A person who isn't a Muslim could commit a crime while wearing that, right?
For me, this is like a monk wearing a monk's robe...
or a bride wearing a wedding gown. Wearing religious clothing...
is the right of the individual.
In public places in Germany,
you can't hide your face.
The problem is women who wear burqas...
don't like taking it off at schools or public places.
They believe that their religious faith is more important than the law.
I don't believe that makes any sense.
There are occasions where you have to show people who you are.
For example, when you buy alcohol. I don't think you should wear a niqab.
There would be no reason for a Muslim person to buy alcohol.
- I'd like to see that. - Was it a niqab?
A person who is not a Muslim could wear a niqab and go buy alcohol.
- No, this is... - No.
a negative rumor in Western countries.
There are a lot of rumors that people believe to be true.
"How do you eat while wearing a hijab?" We don't wear it when eating.
We're arguing about whether a certain type clothing should be allowed.
It feels like society has become intolerant.
It feels like people are not accepting because they don't understand...
- the culture. - Are you saying they should be allowed to wear into the bank?
If you have it on, you can raise it up to confirm your identity.
- Then they can go in. - That's what I'm saying.
- The important thing is... - I think you should switch to disagree.
I think you need to switch your vote.
They should be allowed to wear it...
- No. - It should be restricted.
- It should only be restricted in certain places. - It depends on the situation.
When they go through customs, the officer needs to see the passport photo, right?
With passport photos, the female officer checks the faces.
- The female officer does it. - Yes.
- They do take it off when asked. - Yes.
Some countries have this rule, right?
You need to show your face when they're checking your passport.
In Islamic culture, if there is a certain law in that country,
the teachings say that you have to adhere to the country's law.
- In cases like that showing your face is not a problem. - It's not a problem.
There was a problem with this during the Canadian elections.
A law was introduced that allowed people to vote even if there faces were covered.
So, people went to vote while wearing hockey masks or potato bags.
This became a controversial topic.
If I can say one thing about this,
in India, Islam isn't the only religion, there's also Sikhism.
Men wear turbans and they never cut their hair.
You can think of this as a country's culture and custom.
You can't just decide that this was right or wrong.
- I think we need to understand their culture first. - In my opinion,
it could be seen as a country's culture...
but most European countries were founded on a Christian culture.
We've already accepted numerous cultures.
We've created a lot of holidays...
and we've built a lot of Mosques. We've done a lot.
A lot of Muslims have to Germany...
and they only live in their own bubble.
"We want more. We want more." We try to be more tolerant.
If they only want to wear their clothes and they only want to show their culture,
then they should just go back to their own country.
- However, they want to show it. - They want to show it.
- Hold on. - In their own countries...
There are Muslims in Germany as well.
Then, where should those people go?
Germany is there country, where should they go?
- Well... - They can't understand because Islam is not their culture.
They are choosing their own culture.
If there are ways to restrictive laws in their own country...
and they believe it is a problem, then they can immigrate to another country.
You're right, the world we are living in is an age of multiculturalism.
- Then hear me out, - Okay.
when you talk your facial expressions are very important.
I think it's a problem if the person you are talking to...
can't read your facial expressions.
In China, they have facekinis as well.
There were a lot of people who went to the beach with these masks on.
This mask is very important in China.
- Facekini. If you think about it the other way, - Exactly
let's say you came to India and went to an area where most people are Sikh.
The people there might say that they don't like their attire,
they'll tell you that they have to grow beards...
and wear turbans. They can't do that.
- They would have to respect that. - Honestly...
if I were to go to a Sikh region...
and they said to me, "We're uncomfortable,"
- "You must grow a beard." - But you don't
But I think I must do it.
I think I must as well.
You would tell them go to back to their country.
In Germany, we also try hard to accommodate different people,
but if Muslims do that at our schools,
it means that they don't accept our culture as well.
Of course, we can't know exactly how...
people are religiously influenced by the way people dress.
But for our children,
we must teach them that there are a variety of cultures in the world.
Of course as a teacher...
you should not impress your personal opinions about Islam onto students.
But when a student dresses in a religious way,
- it doesn't force that religion upon others. - That's right.
Wouldn't that be evangelism?
It would be propagation.
A teacher should not propagate any religion...
- to his or her students. - Right.
But expressing one's belief's through their dress is not a problem.
We're quite sensitive about personal freedom and choice in the US.
Clothes are clothes.
Are you going to tell immigrants how they can and can't dress?
- That's... - In France...
they always talk about liberty,
- but how is that liberty? How is that freedom? - I'll explain.
But that's different from religion.
If someone wants to dress conservatively,
how can you tell that person that they have to take that off.
It's not that. It's not like that now.
The French courts have now said that burkinis cannot be banned.
- Now. - It's sort of an issue of freedom.
It's one of the many issues with freedom.
I think it's an issue of how far my freedoms go and how far others' freedoms go.
Honestly in Europe's case,
we think that all people should be free and we should respect that.
But as terrorist attacks continue,
people begin to reconsider things.
For example, this is something I'm very curious about,
if one of our Italian women go to a park in Pakistan...
and takes all her clothes off, starts drinking alcohol...
and eating pork,
wouldn't Pakistani people honestly be uncomfortable?
- We're aware of this. - You can come to India.
We believe in freedom, but we feel uncomfortable.
- What do we do? - That's a good question.
If someone came to Pakistan and did that,
there's no problem legally.
There is no problem legally,
but culturally Pakistan isn't there yet.
So people may personally think that this is not good.
- But legally they can't stop it. - Yes, legally a police officer...
cannot arrest them for taking their clothes off.
So I think the issue is,
we must respect the culture of others,
but this is our country. Shouldn't they respect our culture as well?
I've always thought a country like India was very conservative.
There are a lot of rules and restrictions,
but after hearing this, it seems European countries are even more conservative.
Because they say that they can't do this.
- If Europeans went to Pakistan. - It's different.
Do you think people can wear Burkinis in Pakistan?
- Absolutely! - No.
They should respect Pakistan's culture while they are there and vice versa.
I told you this would end up like this.
- I'm not Pakistani so I don't know, but they can come to India. - It's different.
In Pakistan, there's no law that restricts them from doing that.
Legally, they're free.
In our country, there is a law that says you can't cover your face,
but they still do it.
- That is true. - This is...
Nik and Alberto make a good point.
They're not saying that they cannot wear it,
but they should try to respect the culture of the country they're in.
In Canada, a Pakistani woman wore a niqab...
and went to her Canadian citizenship ceremony.
There is a law that doesn't allow her to wear her niqab there,
but she refused to take it off.
She took the government to court and won.
So eventually, she was able to receive her citizenship wearing her niqab.
Wow.
In my personal opinion, when you're having a conversation with someone,
it's important to be able to see each others' face.
It's the 21st century. I think they shouldn't allow people to cover their faces.
- Would that be all right? - You're right.
From the perspective of a Swiss person,
that may seem like this is the right thing to do.
But a person who has gotten used to such a culture from a young age...
would have a difficult time not doing things like that so suddenly.
- Slowly. - Because this is...
is disregarding the speed...
- of cultural change of that region. - That's right.
If we really respect that,
the negative traditions will slowly disappear on their own.
Islam doesn't necessarily say you have to wear a niqab...
or wear a burqa. This is not Islam.
They do say to cover one's body,
but this also differs from region to region.
Since we were children,
we had to attend Quran school.
This is what it says about hijab in the Quran.
'Wearing a hijab is not to oppress women, but to protect them.'
That's what it says in the Quran.
- To protect them? - I would like to ask you this...
That's just the origin of the hijab.
In Switzerland, a lot of people see the covering of women's faces...
as discrimination against women.
This past July in a region called Ticino in Switzerland,
just like France, face covering clothing like burqas and niqabs have been banned.
So if you get caught wearing one,
you get fined up to 1,120 dollars.
If you get caught again, you have to pay up to 11,200 dollars.
How much is that?
That would be about 10,000 dollars if you get caught twice.
Another thing we should be aware of is that...
this is not only for women.
If you look at how Arabic men dress, they're covered up to their heads.
They also have to cover above their knees.
A man is not allowed to show above his knees actually.
- That's how it is there. - Are there men that wear burkinis?
Men have no need to wear burkinis. They can just wear a t-shirt and shorts.
That seems quite unfair.
The culture itself is quite male dominated.
- It's a different culture. - Muslim culture is kind of like that.
About five years ago, something like this happened in Korea...
at a particular hotel.
They didn't allow a woman wearing a hanbok to enter.
- They said it was dangerous. People went crazy. - It was on the news.
- How is it dangerous? - Because it's so wide.
They claimed that it would be disruptive to others.
I think that's what's happening in France.
Because there's so much terrorism in France these days,
people think that wearing those kinds of clothes lead to terrorism.
They seem to be making the wrong connections.
I think this is the problem. What terrorists want...
is for our societies to be in conflict.
We keep doing exactly what they want.
Our societies are in so much conflict right now.
It's creating more problems by trying to restrict this and that.
Actually, this is negatively affecting the extremist Muslims as well.
If we think of it on the flip side,
has there never been a bombing by someone wearing a suit?
- Has there never been terrorists that wear suits? - Probably a lot.
Does that mean we should ban all suits, too?
Clothing and religion do not have to be connected in this way.
But shouldn't we be understanding towards those people that worry about that?
- Those worried people... - There's no need to understand those kinds of people.
- As Jihad pointed out earlier... - Zahid.
Jihad?
Doesn't jihad mean Islamic war?
It's Zahid.
You've changed.
- He did that on purpose. - I'm sorry.
Was that a debate tactic?
- He did that on purpose. - That was a bit much.
Please continue making your statement.
Terrorists...
aim to put our societies in a state of conflict.
- Isn't that one of their goals? - Yes, that's right.
That is why we shouldn't be understanding towards those kinds of people.
Last month, a restaurant owner...
refused to serve a Muslim woman.
- He refused to serve her. - He claimed that all Muslims are terrorists.
("Terrorists are Muslims. All Muslims are terrorists.")
Since then, that restaurant closed down...
after getting so many terrible reviews on the internet.
A kind of silly thing happened in the US.
There was a female teacher...
that wasn't a Muslim, she was a Christian.
Due to all the terrorism,
Muslims in the US are discriminated against a lot.
As a statement to proclaim...
that we must stand in solidarity with Muslims,
she wore a hijab, took a selfie, and put it up on social media.
But the school she worked at was a Christian school,
so they suspended her.
But all the students were on their teacher's side.
It became a huge debate.
This is something I really want to ask Amira.
In your opinion, do you think women of Islam...
should have freedom of choice,
- or should they follow their religion? - Do they have to follow it?
I believe they should have the freedom of choice.
Because there are at least four choices.
They can choose to be more conservative,
or they can choose not to follow at all. That's their choice.
Of course, Muslims care about clothing,
but I think what's most important is the heart.
- All right. - This doesn't seem like an argument that will easily be settled.
In any case, trying to understand one another seems like the most important thing.
Let's meet today's representative for Korea.
This person seems like a news announcer and also doesn't seem like one.
It's not Jun Hyun-moo. She's on "JTBC News Room" every night at 8pm.
She sits on the right side of Sohn Suk-hee. She's a real news announcer.
Welcome An Na-gyeong!
(115th Korean Representative, An Na-gyeong)
(An Na-gyeong, nationality: Republic of Korea, occupation: news announcer)
(She works with Sohn Suk-hee on "JTBC News Room".)
(An Na-gyeong is the co-news announcer of the show.)
Hello, I'm the announcer from Monday to Thursday for "JTBC News Room".
My name is An Na-gyeong.
(Smiling)
- I'm so nervous. - You sound very different than you do on the "JTBC News Room".
I'm really nervous. I feel 100 times more nervous than in "JTBC News Room".
This isn't even live television.
Despite overwhelming odds of 2000 to 1,
Sohn Suk-hee personally chose you as his co-news announcer.
You don't get chosen for being the prettiest or even doing the best job.
- It's just... - But there is a high chance for that.
Not to say that was why you were chosen, but still it does help.
Did Sohn Suk-hee told you why he chose you?
No. I'm also very curious of the reason.
But Chief... I mean Mr. Sohn...
Mr. Sohn.
- It's still kind of weird for me to call him Mr. Sohn. - Mr. Jun?
I think I can easily call him Mr. Jun.
- Mr. Hyun-moo. - Gosh.
I'm your senior.
- Go on. - Mr. Sohn...
can seem both hot and cold.
- He seems uncaring, but he isn't. - Yes, he seems indifferent.
When I ask him why he chose me,
he doesn't really tell me. He just responds with very short answers.
Did you say, "Both hot and cold" because this is an entertainment show?
Yes, but I use those kinds of terms normally as well.
Isn't Sohn Suk-hee kind of scary?
I thought he would be very scary.
When I found out that I would be working with him on "JTBC News Room",
that was my biggest worry. I thought maybe he'd yell at me,
or stop me in a scary way.
But he's not like that at all.
I'm able to talk with him like I would other men my age.
I feel like he's got a very youthful spirit.
So I get surprised when I see him reading something...
and lowering his glasses to see.
(Sohn Suk-hee is getting old, too.)
It would snap me awake.
That sounds like fun.
We'll now begin our 115th Non Summit Meeting.
Let's hear An Na-gyeong's item.
"After becoming an announcer, I've realized the impact reporting can have."
"I'm always thinking about what it is to be a sincere journalist."
"This is why I brought this issue with me today."
"Am I unusual for wanting to deliver only trustworthy news?"
That's admirable.
Journalism is very important.
It must be accurate.
Isn't it about being fast, accurate, and impartial?
- Ideally. - It only seems fast.
- Right. - Exactly.
They try to say it fast, so sometimes they even get people's names wrong.
- That's how misinformation spreads. - It's too much.
What do you think is most important in journalism?
I think it's trust.
Because the trust you get from the public...
can't be earned overnight,
- but it can be destroyed overnight. - That's true.
For that, you really need to be completely committed...
to discovering the truth.
That is a very important value.
We'll be talking about news and fact.
We can discuss the trust that other countries have for their news.
We can also discuss the difference...
between our country's news and other countries'. This should be fun.
First, we would like to ask whether or not you believe in...
your own country's media coverage.
I tend to believe in it. One, two, three.
China, Pakistan, US and Italy.
- The rest do not trust it. - China, you trust it?
- Yes, I believe it. - CCTV?
Yes. I believe in our country's...
CCTV broadcast.
Especially on the subject of national news.
The country does a good job on keeping an eye on national news, so I trust it.
Although international news may be slightly different from what I know,
as a Chinese person, I would like to trust it.
Is this your personal opinion, Wang Xinlin?
Or does the Chinese youth also tend to trust in CCTV?
People do trust our country's...
national news media.
When the Communist Party makes a statement,
we trust that's what our country will do.
- So we tend to be very trusting. - I understand.
I personally, as well as most French people,
don't really trust the news...
because journalists...
usually get the same education...
from the same schools.
They are quite close with politicians and big corporations,
so they tend to have similar modes of thinking as well.
For example, when a politician from a large political party comes on,
they interview them very softly and nicely.
But when a politician from a small political party comes on,
they kind of look down on them as they interview.
Yes, really.
That's why they're not trustworthy.
Honestly, Italy's freedom of press is on the low side.
We have a lot of problems as well.
This is the situation in Italy.
They trust someone when they can see them.
- Really? - Certain news announcers are considered trustworthy.
As you mentioned before, they have a kind of trust that they have built.
So their trust depends on the news announcer?
News announcers or reporters. Of course every person has their own standard.
For me, I search for whatever I hear on the news.
When you search it, the information should come up.
You can know if this person really said everything they should...
- or not. - You can find out whether they're being biased.
A female news announcer from a our most important broadcasting network...
suddenly resigned.
The reason she resigned is because...
whenever she would get the news from the newsroom,
they would say, "Should we just report half of this story?"
Or, "We shouldn't report this story,"
"Should we just talk about the response?"
This happened all the time.
So this woman resigned and exposed this to the public.
Since then, it's been a better opportunity for us.
Reporters now feel like they should strive to be more trustworthy.
So the viewers are more inclined to believe some and not others.
- That's the current state. - It's individual preference.
When you say things like that,
doesn't that mean the news can't be trusted?
How can we believe anything?
To some extent,
the government can control news to be what they want.
The news channel also wants to increase it's viewers...
- so they can exaggerate, - To be more provocative.
or change things around.
Newspapers are the same.
A lot of Germans these days...
watch the news, not because they believe it,
but because the want to know what kind of issues there are.
They don't watch it for the information it provides.
I don't believe the media, either. The reason is...
there's a left-wing and a right-wing.
There's conservative news and liberal news, so the content differs.
I don't think they can both be right.
In Canada as well, if you look at a news story,
the information is so different that neither one can be right.
They both can't be correct.
The US is also a country that's adamant about the freedom of press,
so we do tend to believe what the news says.
But a problem these days is that...
there's a lot of opinions mixed into the news.
For example, if you take a look at Fox News,
- Fox News. - it's on the Republican side.
- On the Democratic side is MSNBC. - That's the same here.
So the information they provide isn't the problem,
it's the political ideas that are attached to them...
that viewers use to decide what they'll watch.
Japan seems like the opposite of the US.
In order to increase its viewers,
we manipulate the news.
That's why in 2016,
in what's called the World Press Freedom Index,
we were ranked 72nd out of 180 countries.
Korea is 70th.
So it's a bit lower than Korea.
But contrary to that,
there's been research that suggests that...
70 percent of the public believe in the media.
That means most people trust the media,
but the freedom of the press is still not guaranteed.
I think I'm stuck in the middle.
I'm in the position of not trusting it, but I want to.
As I talked about last time, in Mexico...
the government manages the news.
So there's a lot that isn't reported.
For example, I may see a protest in the streets,
but later I see that it's not on the news.
This happens very often.
So a lot of people turn to international channels,
like CNN or they search it themselves on the internet.
This is becoming more common.
There are over 100 news channels in India.
- News channels? - Yes.
If you combine all the regional languages and English India, there's more than 100.
There must be discrepancies amongst them.
Because it's so competitive, they say all sorts of things.
There's a lot of inaccurate news,
so it's hard to know which to believe or not.
For example, they'll label something as, "Breaking News"...
saying, "Today, the police commissioner's dog was found."
- How is that breaking news? - That is breaking news.
Then another "Breaking News" pops up...
saying, "Aliens like milk. Indian cow is confronted."
That's nonsense! All day it's "Breaking News".
Sometimes I want to break the TV.
When I watched TV in India, half the screen was covered in text.
Breaking news is written everywhere...
The text is in blood red color to make it more intense.
- In a way, news is in the business of fear. - That's right.
They try really hard to make it as intense as possible,
so it can be difficult to trust.
In Pakistan, if news isn't reported,
the government makes arrests.
They get arrested for not reporting rather than reporting?
No, if they give a wrongful report.
- If it's a false report. - People get arrested for false reports.
So people have started trusting the media a bit more.
But on state-run broadcasts,
the government only introduces things that they want to.
Anything they don't like, they don't show.
Because that happens, there isn't 100 percent trust there.
These days, people look to social media for their news.
- They trust it more because it's personally uploaded. - They trust it more.
That seems to be more trusted.
From an Indian's standpoint, Pakistan's news is the worst.
Why's it the worst? That's Pakistan's stance.
That's because the perspectives differ,
but I think we would have to discuss that on a different program.
I heard the studio is preparing show,
just with Pakistan and India.
News is a speed battle, isn't it?
What's being reported? How fast and accurately can it go out?
It's a war.
There's quite a lot of misreports, aren't there?
Shall we talk about some shocking misreports?
Any shocking misreports from your countries?
Since Indian news is so competitive,
they say their motto is the fastest and most accurate news.
They are fast, but they're not accurate.
- It's hard to do both. - Yes.
For example, when Osama bin Laden was shot dead,
they had to get the news out fast.
They wrote, "President Obama was shot dead."
- Barack Obama? - Yes. It was fast, but it wasn't accurate.
They must've typed it wrong.
Speaking of subtitles, this is kind of a cute story.
Fuji TV went to cover a gaming event.
At the gaming event, one man was playing a game.
As they were covering that,
they introduced him as 'a man in his fifties' in the text on the screen.
You know the company Sony? They came to find out...
that he was the head game developer at Sony.
- The head? - The reporter didn't know that.
They thought he would be angry.
But on his profile on a social media platform,
he wrote, "A man in his fifties".
- That's cool. - He's very witty, right?
So people really liked that.
There was a misreport that was discovered recently in China.
Yes, I've heard of this.
Ooki also introduced this story on Non Summit Meeting before.
- It's Oogi. - Oogi.
That sounded too Japanese.
In China,
they announced that they created a special bus that can seat up to 1,200 people.
- Did you say 1,200 people? - Yes.
But they came to find out that...
the bus was merely a model.
It was just a scam to gather investors.
The broadcasters reported this without knowing this.
Even the New York Times in the US...
reported, "China has created a solar powered bus," as news.
I actually reported on that myself.
You must've been shocked. You were one of the many that fell for it.
Yes, I totally fell for it.
I introduced it as, "Take a look at this new pubic bus. It's amazing."
A few days later, I had to report that it was not true.
Spoken very confidently, too.
In China, a new mode of transportation plans to tackle...
their notoriously bad problems of traffic jams and smog.
It's been revealed that this bus was merely a model.
It was a scam attempt to illegally gather investments.
Are misreports always corrected?
I believe they must be corrected.
Foreign press sometimes just copy news stories directly from other news agencies.
- Seeing as how it's directly translated and sent over. - Right.
Our country was scolded quite a lot for that.
Gosh.
I'm in trouble.
There was an instance where Pakistan...
felt hopeful as a result of a misreport.
There was a report that a person made a car that ran on water.
They claimed that he made a car that didn't need gasoline, just water.
The public became very interested in this story...
because in such difficult economic times,
it became a great hope for a much better future.
Everyone, including the government, were interested,
but a few days later it was proved to be a lie.
Have you reported on this, too?
No.
That's a relief.
Was the fall of the Berlin Wall due to a misreport from Italy?
Honestly, Germany should be thankful to Italy about this.
- Isn't that an over-exaggeration? - Did you say over?
It was the Berlin Wall.
The East German officials...
were having a press conference.
There was an Italian journalist named Riccardo Ehrmann...
- who asked a question. - What did he ask?
He asked, "Is the restriction on the freedom of movement being removed?"
- From East Germany? - Yes. He asked when it will be.
He asked, "Has the restriction been removed?"
But that person didn't know very well...
- and he said the wrong thing. - What did he say?
That person wasn't prepared for that question.
He answered that as far as he knows, the regulation takes effect immediately.
So he answered, "It takes effect immediately."
So a large number of East Germans...
went to take down the wall.
Within two week's time,
300,000 East Germans went over to visit West Germany.
About a year later, on October 3, 1990,
Germany was reunified.
- You should be thankful. - Thank you.
What would be the most shocking misreport in our country?
- There has been a lot. - The most unforgettable was...
during the Sewol ferry sinking.
- It was misreported that everyone was rescued. - That's right.
- That was the most shocking. - Right.
(This misreport was incredibly shocking when it was revealed.)
I have a question. When a mistake has been made...
do you say to the viewers, "we have made a mistake"?
- You have to admit it. - Yes, we admit it.
But when you admit,
at least in France when they admit fault, it takes 10 seconds.
- Did he say 10 seconds? - They say, "We have made a mistake."
"Let's move on," they say. But is it like that in Korea?
- Is it similar? - Of course.
So the misreport lasts about five minutes,
- but fixing it... - They had discussed it for five minutes.
takes 10 seconds.
When I was working at my old company,
we took a hit from a misreport.
I think that even if you try to fix or admit...
the mistake afterward, it's too late.
I was working in Wall Street in New York...
during the financial crisis.
A lot of banks were in trouble and collapsing like dominoes.
"Lehman Brothers have gone bankrupt."
"Which bank is next?" The reporters wanted to know.
Would it be Morgan Stanley? I was working for Morgan Stanley.
Suddenly, there was an article on the New York Times online.
It was a misreport.
It was misreported that a Morgan Stanley executive contacted other banks...
requesting that they merge with them, because if they don't they're finished.
- No one had fact checked this. - Was that article published?
An article was published online.
We were sitting at our desks, and as it came out,
we watched our stocks drop.
Everyone was in a state of panic.
But when the facts were found to be incorrect,
the next day the online newspaper...
wrote on the bottom of the article, "Correction."
"This was not true."
But no one these days...
goes back to yesterday's news and checks it again.
"Your stocks are worthless now, sorry."
- Right. - Our country also put out correction reports in very small print.
They put it out, but you can't see it.
- That's right. - Correction reports should be in all be in capital letters.
Especially when you think about people who were harmed by that.
Honestly, with the Sewol report too,
the bereaved families were in a state of panic or not,
depending on the words of the reporters.
On top of the disaster, society had fallen into even more chaos.
Despite that, I honestly don't feel like there are any news agencies...
that deeply feel responsible for that.
I often feel like we're being irresponsible.
Of course, when breaking news comes to us...
it makes our hearts race. It's true.
- The thought of having to deliver live and graphic news... - We have to.
When breaking news comes in, it's true that it's very nerve-racking.
But if you only focus on that,
or you only focus on being competitive about a story, misreports happen.
So I think all of those things come together...
to build the trustworthiness of a news agency.
More important than speed is the accuracy of a report,
but it's often disappointing.
Our country also has what's considered legendary news bloopers.
Our manager asked me, "What are you laughing at?"
- There are these compilations of news bloopers. - They're the best.
Although it was a disastrous moment for some,
they've become funny moments for everyone else.
There was a really serious news announcer that said, "Next is..."
- and fell backwards into his chair. - It was a crime story.
It was a program where they catch criminals on live TV.
They're searching for the suspects.
- Can you show us, Hyun-moo? - Sure. The news announcer was here.
I remember this exactly. The lead detective was here.
"Here from the Dongdaemun Police, Detective Jun Hyun-moo."
"This next incident,"
"two arsonists..."
And the chair had wheels on it, so it rolled back.
"Two arsonists..."
(Crashing down)
Well done!
(Are you all right?)
- You did well. - You're quite the performer.
Hang on! It stabbed me!
- That must've really hurt. - You're an entertainer.
It stabbed me.
- That hurt. - That was a great performance.
(A real entertainer chairman)
Did you ever expect to get an applause...
for this when you took the news announcer test?
This is the first time getting an applause for something like this.
Shall we introduce some legendary news bloopers from other countries?
In our country, there was a female news announcer on Beijing TV...
and a male news announcer on CCTV, they were a married couple.
The husband was in the middle of a live broadcast,
and suddenly his wife appeared and grabbed his microphone.
She said, "My husband is cheating on me."
- At her husband's workplace? - Yes.
- During the live broadcast. - On air.
- She told the entire country. - They're both news announcers.
- Yes, both of them. - She planned that.
Wow, that's really severe.
There would be nothing you could do.
Imagine it. He's reading the news.
I don't want to imagine it.
That's awesome.
There are a lot of these funny things that happen in Pakistani news.
It doesn't rain often in Pakistan.
So when it does, people go outside and play.
They like to have fun and enjoy the rain.
On a rainy day in Karachi City, they went to show people playing outside.
There was a child playing in the rain.
They wanted to show him playing,
so they asked, "What are you doing here? Is it fun?"
He said, "You forced me to come here."
(An innocent child's honest answer)
(What are you doing here?)
(You told me to stand here.)
(Embarrassed)
- Kids can't lie. - That is news.
As I live and breathe.
- Even the cameraman started laughing. - "Why do you want me in the rain?"
"Why don't you stand in the rain?"
That was one instance. Another time,
a pedestrian overpass was built for people to cross the street,
but cows were using it instead.
The cows were using it.
The cows were going up and down it.
So in order to show the people this scene,
the reporter decided to get up and personal.
He asked a cow, "What do you think about this?"
- "How do you feel about using this overpass?" - That's childish.
"I'm here with a cow that won't respond."
"I'm Sung Si-kyung."
(Mooing)
That's exactly what happened.
He timed it right at that moment.
"Moo".
(Mr. Cow, what do you think of this situation?)
(Mooing)
That's news with a message.
The cow said it was disappointed.
(Satisfied)
In Italy we have someone called Gabriele Paolini.
He's a crazy person.
- Does everyone in Italy know he's a crazy person? - Of course.
When someone is reporting the news,
he goes behind the reporter...
and does this. This is an offensive sign.
He sometimes does this or this.
He keeps doing crazy things.
He does it for the attention.
He's listed on the Guinness World Records.
He holds the record for ruining the largest amount of on air broadcasts.
- He's ruined a lot of broadcasts. - He's very famous.
(A successful Italian idiot)
This incident didn't happen in Canada, it happened in England.
There were debating about the trial between...
The Beatles and Apple.
The arguments were too complex so they brought in an expert.
The expert was in the waiting room.
Someone else came into the court instead.
It was a very cute looking Kenyan.
He had come to the broadcasting show for a different reason.
He had come for an interview.
He wanted to work there.
It was a live broadcast and they asked him questions.
At first he was very flustered,
but because he didn't want to cause an incident on the air.
He had trouble answering the news announcer.
Take a look at the video.
He's surprised.
He was surprised because they had introduced him on TV.
I was surprised to see this verdict today.
I was not expecting that.
- Why did you keep answering the questions? - He sounds like an expert.
(He's a funny person.)
Na-gyeong, have you ever made a mistake on the air before?
Yes, I joined the broadcasting station three years ago,
so I have made mistakes and I have seen other people make mistakes as well.
- That would have been fun. - I have seen it.
The most recent mistake I made was...
As you know, the news broadcast has been outlined by a cue sheet.
However,
- changes can be made very quickly. - Right, cue sheets can change very quickly,
So there are instances where a news report that was assigned to...
Sohn Suk-hee was reassigned...
to me, 20 seconds before the end of the preceding report.
Sohn Suk-hee would change the order and say, "Let's go with this news first."
The producer would be unprepared for that as well.
I didn't have the original script about this news report.
And there was nothing on the teleprompter as well.
I just stared at the camera...
for 2 to 3 seconds. That did happen to me recently.
Shin Jin reporting for JTBC.
(This was the preceding news segment.)
(She's blankly staring at the camera.)
Hyun-moo, what about you?
- Hyun-moo's... - I have too many.
- nickname is Mr. Mistake. - Tell us one funny incident.
(Mr. Mistake)
When I present the news, let's say for example on the radio,
we are given a script, right? You have to meticulously check it...
- before you start presenting. - Of course.
When you're being rushed in, they just hand it to you as you go in.
- You take it and read it. - That requires a lot of skill.
"This was a news about politics."
"A new law has been proposed."
"The party in power said this about the proposed law."
"The opposition party..."
There was nothing written about it.
(There was nothing there.)
There was nothing there. It was about the weather.
- Oh, dear. - Goodness.
- There was nothing there. - Did it fall out?
- The opposition party panicked. - There was nothing.
- Did a page fall out? - The next page was about the weather.
"The opposition party..."
"The opposition party did not like it."
What am I meant to say?
Most of the time, they'd hate proposed laws, right?
Generally the opposing party disagrees with the ruling party.
- "Did not like it." - That's understandable.
- You should've said it in a nicer way. - I should have said opposed.
I just said did not like it.
- I sounded like an elementary student. - It wasn't a good expression.
- The opposing party was disappointed. - I had numerous incidents.
You thought quickly on your feet.
- When we report on TV, we have an earpiece, right? - Yes.
We can hear what all the producers are saying.
"Okay, let's go to Na-gyeongs report now.
I can do it now if they asked.
However, for inexperienced news announcers, it's hard.
They'd repeat what they hear.
- They keep talking. - That's true.
Really good producers only talk about things like that,
some producers don't concentrate and talk amongst themselves.
- "What do you want to eat today?" - You can hear everything?
Once I replied, "Me, too." It's like that.
I'd answer them while repeating the news.
They'd ask and the others would say pollack stew and kimchi jjigae.
"Today at the government press conference..."
- I said, "Me, too". That's what happened. - Me, too.
I wanted to eat pollack stew as well.
Suddenly I'd hear someone scream in my earpiece, "Hey, what are you doing?"
- "What are you doing?" - "What are you saying?"
- They were the ones who talked. - "Tick one pollack stew for Hyun-moo."
"What are you going to eat? Regular or large?"
I got scolded so much. I was new.
- Did you really say, "Me, too?" - I said it on live TV.
I was talking about politics and I suddenly said, "Me, too".
- I wanted kimchi jjigae. - Gosh.
What were you thinking?
- Well, - You could hear them.
Veteran news announcers can present the news even when someone screams.
- It doesn't matter what happens. - They can do it.
- They have a poker face on. - For new people it's hard.
- It's hard to control your emotions. - Right.
When you look at a news article, it's the same with the funny ones...
but when the news that makes you feel angry or sad,
it does affect how you present the next news.
- Right. - Recently,
I presented a news piece about animals.
The news piece was about the realities of abandoned dogs.
It made me so angry.
So, when I was presenting the next piece,
I stuttered. It's hard to control your emotions.
When a news announcer...
shows his or her emotions, isn't that more natural and more human?
- In the past, the news was... - It was very stiff.
I wish they would smile like news announcers in other countries.
- Right. - I keep feeling...
- that this is Suk-hee's strength. - That's true.
He smiles and when he gets angry he says, "I'm sorry I got too emotional."
- If news announcers did that, the viewers would get used to it. - That's right.
For us, no matter what happens,
- "Our next news is..." - You're right.
- It's about time for news presenting to change. - Yes, you're right.
Sohn Suk-hee has the experience that's why he can do that.
Pausing during the middle of the news,
for us feels like a big problem.
- Yes. - If there is a five second pause on the air.
- Right. - Sohn Suk-hee can do it.
He handles the pauses naturally, if he feels bad, he says it.
He also sighs as well.
It'd be hard for us. We'd be sweating because we would worry.
- It's the same with DJs. If you watch Bae Chul-soo, - Exactly.
- Right. - he makes a lot of mistakes but he deftly handles it.
- He makes mistakes all the time. - All the time.
When you listen to Bae Chul-soo's radio show,
it still sounds like he's making mistakes in the middle of the show.
He says, "Ha"...
and he won't say anything for a while.
In reality, he's not saying anything because he's laughing.
(He's laughing.)
That's right.
You can hear him.
He's breathing, but you can't hear it.
- I thought something had happened. - He's like that for a few seconds?
The listeners know this. They are in sync.
Being natural is a good thing.
- Now... - Yes.
The news media's job is to watch and report.
Has there been any incidents in your country,
where a reporter or news announcer reported a news that became a big issue?
This was a very big incident in Japan,
with a man called Shinichi Fujimura.
He was an archaeologist...
whose nickname was the divine hand.
He was known as an incredible person.
For 20 years, this person...
- had uncovered around 200 artifacts. - Really?
His discoveries were so great, that Japanese textbooks had to be rewritten.
- Wow. - Wow.
However a group of reporters from the newspaper, The Mainichi...
had installed hidden cameras.
They found evidence of him forging artifacts.
- He had forged artifacts? - Yes.
(He buried the forged works that he had made and...)
(fabricated the discovery by digging it out.)
We found out that this person for the last 20 years had...
faked all the discoveries.
- That's incredible. - He must've been very nervous.
- Yes. - I'm also fascinated by the fact that he wasn't caught for 20 years.
We had to change all the textbooks.
(Sighing)
However he didn't receive any punishment.
- Why? - Because during that time,
there were no laws that he could be punished under.
So, he went to live in a temple.
- He went to a temple? - Yes.
- He lived the rest of his life quietly. - What else was he trying to fabricate?
After hearing about the incident in Japan,
I remember watching in Germany another...
Japanese incident called, "The lies about Fukushima."
- It was a documentary. - Fukushima.
TEPCO only admitted to only one thing.
They admitted to...
- dumping the contaminated water into the sea. - Dumping it into the sea.
They only admitted to that.
They didn't admit to anything else.
They reported the real reasons for the accident...
that the Japanese media had not found out about.
Do the Japanese public believe what they are told about Fukushima?
Do they believe the government reports?
I don't think we do.
There is an electric company,
and the people at the top of the company are trying to hide the truth.
We found out that they were trying to hide the truth, so we don't believe it.
In the US, around the Boston area,
for almost 10 years some Catholic priests...
were revealed to have sexually molested children.
This was revealed by a team of reporters...
at a newspaper. The team was called spotlight.
They published stories that no one knew...
had happened in the 90s. They revealed everything.
This incident was turned into a movie.
Thanks to the advancement of media technology, news reporting is changing.
Let's hear about some unique news programs in different countries.
In Mexico we have something called clown news.
- Clown? - Clown.
It is the most popular morning show in Mexico.
It airs from 8am to 10am.
The show reveals the secrets of politicians.
It's that kind of show.
(The Comedian Víctor Trujillo dresses up as a clown.)
(He satirizes about the corruption of politicians in a humorous way.)
It's really fun.
This show had aired for 16 years,
and was canceled recently.
There were many reasons why it was canceled.
I think that it was canceled because the show...
criticized politicians too much.
In France there is a show called "Le Petiti Journal".
They look at the speeches that the politicians had given four years ago...
and compares it to what they are doing in the present.
- They explain what has changed. - Yes.
They sometimes get criticized because...
they need to make politicians feel a little nervous...
but like the program in Mexico,
they present the news as a satire.
Rather than being shocked by the news,
- people find themselves easily laughing it off. - I see.
In Germany, we have a news show for kids titled "Logo!".
I used to be a regular viewer of the show when I was young.
The show is still widely loved by many people.
When they talk about war or terrorism, they can avoid mentioning death.
Since those kind of news can affect kids,
they use animation clips...
to show kids what terrorism and wars are.
That way, the show teaches kids what's happening around the world.
Therefore, in Germany,
kids naturally learn issues across the globe starting from an early age.
That helps them develop interest in those issues, which is very good.
- It's kids news show. - There are other shows, too.
France and Germany have...
a shared broadcasting channel.
- It's Arte TV. - Right.
So what happens there is...
a French news announcer hosts a news show on Monday,
and it's a German news announcer on Tuesday.
(For example, a French announcer hosts the show on Monday.)
(While it's a German announcer's turn on Tuesday.)
Also the news are about both France and Germany.
- They are largely focused on the two countries. - True.
Maybe Japan, Korea, and China...
can develop such station together. It'd be good. - It can come true someday.
I wish we could.
- That would be great. - Yes it will be.
Actually the three countries don't have a clear understanding...
of each other's situation.
When we talked about our history,
we agreed that we need an opportunity to talk it out...
- together. - Yes, even if we argue over it.
We have more than 70,000 newspaper agencies in India.
Also, there are over 100 news shows.
- What? 70,000? - One of the news shows...
- is specialized in fortune telling. - Yes.
A woman wearing a unique necklace...
tells what color of clothes we should wear to be lucky today.
Also she gives us advice on what to do and what not to buy.
It's an really intensive show, and it's aired every day.
Also, I'm sure that this type of news shows exist only in India.
In India, popular drama series usually have 2,000 to 3,000 episodes.
Some characters are reincarnated again and again.
- Did you say it has 2,000 episodes? - He said it's 2,000.
For viewers' sake they summarize...
what happened in the previous week's episodes.
And they also forecast how the story will go in upcoming episodes.
- That show is really popular among middle-aged women. - Yes, they'd love it.
- They are so into it. - It's like "TV Guide".
In Pakistan, there's a news show about current issues.
We have a woman nicknamed "Laughter Queen" in Pakistan.
- Laughter Queen? - Yes, Laughter Queen.
Next to her, a comedian...
who's dressed like a famous politician acts.
It's like a satire comedy show.
The woman just keeps laughing throughout the show.
(Scary laughter)
(Startled)
(It's not Laughter Queen, but Fright Queen.)
(It's real Laughter Queen.)
(She's the Laughter Queen.)
It's so fun.
As the show grew more popular,
people began to call her "Laughter Queen".
- He's exaggerating it. - Yes.
He said there's a comedian in the news show.
In Japan, idol group members act as a news presenter.
For instance, there's a night-time news show.
A member of Japan's top idol group "Arashi",
Sakurai Sho appeared in...
a news show titled "News Zero".
On Monday, he acts as a news presenter of the show.
- Is he serious when he presents the news? - Yes.
He is very serious when presenting news. Also they have an actress,
- and comedians presenting news. - It's so interesting.
- It's like Se-yoon hosting the News at 9pm. - Right.
He'll be dead serious.
I'd be flaring my nostrils.
(Then you can't do that.)
What do you think of those news shows?
Personally, I think news...
- Every time we have a female guest, Aurelien does this. - Because I'm curious.
You can't get away with that.
- There you go. - He speaks as if he's the MC whenever we have a female guest.
Why don't you ask questions to male guests?
I think news reports...
shouldn't be all about fun and interesting stuff.
However, it can be a bit more pleasing.
It would be good for viewers.
Do you remember Gang Dong-won appeared on "JTBC News Room" and did the weather?
- I saw it. - You saw it too, right?
After coming on for the Culture Report segment,
After that,
a female weather reporter was supposed to present the weather forecast.
But Mr. Sohn gave the script for weather forecast to Dong-won and...
suggested that he should do it himself.
Gang Dong-won, who appeared in our show today, hasn't left the studio yet.
He will give us the weather forecast for tomorrow.
"Tomorrow it will be very cloudy."
It will rain from morning to the afternoon...
in South Jeolla Province and Jeju province.
Thank you for the report.
By any chance, has anyone of you...
been on a news show?
- A news show. - Well...
- For a very good or bad incident. - It's not me, but my mom was on a news show.
- Your mom? - Yes, my mother appeared in a news show.
At that time, we were at the airport to greet my father.
You know the floor of the airport is quite slippery, don't you?
So my mom just slipped and fell down.
Then she got badly hurt.
On the same day,
coincidentally,
there was a news reporting team covering airport safety.
When my father fell down, all the reporters rushed to her.
They got the big cameras, lighting and everything.
She had an interview with them lying on the floor.
- On the floor? - Yes.
- Like how much does it hurt? - She was funny.
She was lying there in pain, but when cameras approached her,
she was like this. "I'm fine."
"It hurts only a bit. Not much."
- I think Christian's mother must be beautiful. - I agree.
- His eyes are pretty. - My mom used to be a singer.
Really?
- That's why you're so talented. - But she's not a singer anymore, right?
- No, she isn't. - I see.
Aurelien, your father is...
My father didn't appear in a news show, but...
he was on a TV game show.
- TV game? - A quiz show.
- It's like "Quiz Korea". - Was he on "Quiz Korea"?
- No. - A show similar to it.
It's a French version of "Quiz Korea".
It's like Quiz France.
(A quiz show in France, "SLAM")
(Aurelien's father)
He was on the show twice, and lost twice.
- You mean he didn't survive? - No, he was dropped out.
(He appeared in the show twice but was disqualified.)
(Feeling bad)
I was in a news show at the Gangneung MBC broadcasting station.
- Gangneung? - Gangneung?
In Gangneung,
they hold Dano Festival every year.
- Dano Festival? - Yes.
Why did you go there in the first place?
(Clapping)
- Were you there to clap for the festival? - No.
We held an event there.
They came to me to have an interview with me.
I had an interview with them.
I was on "JTBC News Room" last year.
When the CEO of Blizzard visited Korea,
- I appeared in the show with him. - Blizzard.
Mr. Sohn himself called me.
Wow. What did he say?
He was really considerate.
He was so polite when talking to me.
Today, I've got a guest to help me to host the show with Mark Morhaime.
We have Guillaume Patry here. Welcome.
- Hello, nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
He watches Non Summit Meeting quite often.
He is a fan of Non Summit Meeting members.
Maybe that's why he called Guillaume himself.
But he called me only once when he invited me to the show.
After that, I only talked with the scriptwriters.
What else did you expect from him?
The scriptwriters asked me if I had anything in mind to ask to Blizzard's CEO.
They kept asking that. So I sent them a lot of questions.
But none of my questions was used in the show.
(Feeling sorry for him)
All news agencies say they take a neutral point of view in reporting.
However, depending on the script or content...
of the news articles, broadcasting stations...
sometimes reveal their political tendency.
Let's do a vote to see what our members think of this.
Political tendency of news agencies.
Is it acceptable or not acceptable?
Do you think it's acceptable? One, two, three.
(There are 4 people who think it's acceptable while 6 think do not.)
- Is it acceptable? - Oh, Wang Xinlin.
Personally I think it's not proper for them to show their political tendency.
Individuals can have their own opinions and feelings.
But adding news agencies' political tendency to the news...
may end up affecting the fact they present. So I think it's not appropriate.
I agree with him. Principally,
the role of news shows is to deliver and report facts.
Any interpretation about the fact,
or analysis on the fact should be...
- left to the discretion of viewers. - Right.
But recently, the media in the US...
reveal their political opinions.
If you only listens to what you want to listen,
that is not good. I'm opposed to it.
But isn't that much more dangerous?
- I mean... - I agree.
They would say we don't have any political tendency,
- we only deliver facts. - We are really neutral.
In Italy, we think differently. Journalists are supposed to not only...
deliver the facts but also interpret and analyze them.
Viewers are all well aware of their tendency.
If you're a conservative person,
you can listen to conservative opinions. Or you can listen to liberal opinions.
In the past, Italy's prime minister...
used to own broadcasting stations.
He even had control over state-owned broadcasting networks.
The media was a mess back then.
Because there's no way people would know...
what political tendency stations had.
But things got a lot better these days.
Even within the broadcasting stations,
some are more left wing,
and others happen to be more right wing.
- If you can find a right balance, - Yes.
that would be the best.
Then how would you address this kind of issue?
Let say in the States, all supporters of Donald Trump...
only watch one channel,
while supporters of Hillary Clinton watch the other channel.
The first channel will air news that advocate Trump only.
- The channel will not show what his opponents think. - First of all,
we need to understand that no broadcasting station has 99 percent of the viewers.
People watch a variety of channels.
Actually, Financial Times and Forbes have political tendency.
Also New York Times.
Every agency has its own political tendency.
Even though they already have it,
that doesn't necessarily mean that we have to accept it.
It's our role to decide whether it's appropriate or not.
- Though that's the case already, we have to discern. - If there's...
only one type of tendency, it's a problem.
If there are a variety of political tendencies it won't be a problem.
I think I have the right to speak.
I am the only person here that was raised under a single political view.
- Right to speak? - Yes.
- Yes, you were raised with a single view. - Yes.
- I grew up knowing only one political view. - Yes?
So friends always tell me...
that I am a stutterer?
- You mean stubborn, not stutterer. - Yes.
- They asked me why I have such strong sinocentric views.
Having been through all that, I'd like to suggest...
if nothing else,
- to listen to other opinions to further broaden your views. - You are right.
In China, the media does not go against the government.
But because there aren't any, at times...
I think it would be great if the media could question or criticize the government.
- I see. - I also agree.
Japan's media also doesn't criticize the government.
- Really? - Yes.
So when people hear the news being delivered.
They don't react to the news.
- I see. - The Japanese people.
If we'd face the issues with more criticism,
wouldn't we be able to think more diversely?
That's my opinion.
I think the media needs to be unbiased.
That is what journalism is about.
They are a bridge between the events and the viewers.
Their role is to connect the two.
If they become politically influenced,
it will be biased.
It would shift to one side.
- I see. - That problem...
- occurs because it is not based on facts only. - None.
- None. - What do you mean none?
For example, if there is a murder,
what information would you deliver about the murderer?
The murderer's race and name and so forth...
can be all revealed.
You must select what to reveal. How do you do it?
Would you depend it on your political views?
- Or value? - Or your values?
You need to choose.
Listening to you, it seems...
- it is unclear where fact ends and lies starts. - The facts.
- Yes, you. - I would like for us to think about something together.
Is being neutral really unbiased?
Information without criticism...
has already been screened by the government.
- Filtered. - It's possible.
- If then, it's not neutral. - I see.
Filtered information...
can be unbiased.
He said something really important.
If there is no room for political views,
it is easier to the government to control it.
Okay.
In Korea, there are those who keep the spirit of journalism and those who don't.
I'm curious about the reputation of journalists in each country.
In Mexico, there are many politicians that take revenge on reporters.
- On reporters? - Yes, reporters.
- There are those that have died. - What?
- They kill them? - Yes, they take revenge.
So, a journalist to us...
- is a job that we think is both amazing and dangerous. - It's dangerous.
They have a tough job.
- That's unbelievable. - It's the same in Pakistan.
There was a incident recently in Pakistan.
A politician during his speech told his supporters...
- to attack a news station because they weren't talking about him. - They weren't.
Almost 2,000 people tore the station down and stopped the news from airing.
- One person ended up being killed. - What kind of politician is he?
- Is he a gangster? - Oh, my.
- The journalists have to go through these difficulties. - Send them to attack.
- It's take someone with courage to do the job. - They're not talking about us.
In Japan, we have a similar...
Japanese derogatory term like the Korean one, "giregi" for journalists.
- Yes. - You see it often when people write comments.
- I Didn't think I'd hear it here. - We also...
have one, it's the term "Masgomi".
- It doesn't sound bad. - "Mas" comes from...
the word mass media.
- "Gomi" just simply means garbage. - Garbage.
- It's the same. - I see.
- We use it quite often. - I see.
- In India, I told you that police officers are scary. - Yes.
- The press is scarier than the police. - I see.
If you have a press sticker on your car,
you can park anywhere.
- You don't need to pay toll fees. - Wouldn't that make fake stickers popular?
There are over 700 thousand newspapers.
It's overly popular. Even university students...
have stickers on their cars.
- With words" PRESS" on them. - There must be over 200 thousand stickers.
A very famous reporter used to live a floor above me in Delhi.
One day, I parked my car slightly in front of his car.
He called me.
"Don't you know who I am?"
- "I am a reporter at this newspaper." - Don't you know me?
He said that I have to be careful because he's a journalist.
- What did you do? - Did you move the car?
Of course I did.
He had to.
It seems that reporters aren't popular in France.
- They are not popular. - Why?
Every year in France,
they do a poll.
It's a poll...
that asks people what is the most hated occupation.
The fifth most hated job is reporter.
- Why is that? - What is number one?
Number one is politician.
- Politician. - What about the second most hated job?
- What's the second most hated job? - It's ad-maker.
- Ad-makers. - People who make advertisements?
- It feels like they are liars. - They lie.
- What about third? - Third is...
insurance agent.
- Insurance agent. - They are trying to sell you something.
- Fourth? - Fourth is soccer players.
- Why? - Really?
- They cause trouble. - It's because...
they are arrogant and...
- Are they arrogant? - They are arrogant.
There's a lot of people who are jealous.
They make a lot of money.
- Why do French people hate reporters? - As I said before,
they are all from the same field.
They are associated together. It's like an elite group.
China's CCTV news announcers...
are called the face of the country.
- The face of the country? - It's because there were selected...
- from over 1.4 billion people. - They are the face of the people.
That's why the Chinese audience trusts and respects news announcers.
However, they are not allowed to make mistakes.
Last time, a CCTV news announcer...
wore an Apple Watch and presented the news.
People criticized her.
Why do you wear an expensive American watch?
- She should be wearing Xiaomi? - Yes.
Is that considered a mistake?
(That's considered a mistake.)
Where is yours from?
I'm sorry.
In the US we respect reporters. We believe their role is...
"The best check on government is a free press."
The media needs to be free...
because we believe they are our watchdogs on the government.
That's why their role is very beneficial,
- and also the reason why we trust them. - What's interesting about Mark is...
that he never talks directly to us.
I wanted to mention that as well.
- He only talks to Na-gyeong. - Talk to us.
I'm the MC, so I was looking at Mark...
- but instead of looking at me... - I've never made eye contact with Mark.
- Really? - Hold on.
Whenever we have a female guest on the show, Aurelien becomes the MC.
The free press's...
- influence is... No, really. - Why is he suddenly...
Does society influence...
the media? What I'm trying to say is...
It's hard trying to make up a question, right?
- He's trying to come up with one on the spot. - Media...
- Media... - He's blushing more than Mark.
He's blushing more than Mark.
- He's asking whether it has a big influence. - What do you think?
Does it influence society a lot.
I do believe that society can be changed through this influence.
It is hard to survive in this...
heartless and cruel world.
- We want to live in a world... - Someone we can trust.
where we can trust the words of the news presenter.
I believe we have to meet that expectation.
Was that a satisfactory answer?
Yes, it was.
- I was curious. - You did pay attention, right?
In the past, there were female Egyptian news presenters at a state-run network,
who were fired for being overweight.
- That's incredible. - How do you feel about that?
Well, my head is saying that shouldn't have happened, but I also...
- stop restrain myself from eating chocolates and cakes that I like. - Why?
- Why do you hold back? - For me,
people who appear on TV screens are appealing to the viewers...
so if the viewers like to see a certain type of person on the TV,
then I believe we have to live to fulfill the viewers' expectations.
However, if those viewers...
It's because I've gained a lot of weight as well,
but if that was to happen, we'd both be in trouble.
Exactly. For me, realistically...
- There's a standard. - Yes, we have to maintain the viewers' expectation.
We have to work to fulfill the viewers' expectation. That's the reality.
I'm sure that each country has their own standards for their news announcers.
I'm curious to know what criteria is the most important.
I'm sure that each country has their own standards for their news announcers.
I'm curious to know what criteria is the most important.
In China, we believe the most important criteria is...
that the eyes and mouth has to be big.
The eyes and mouth have to be big?
- Yes. - Is it because they have to see and talk a lot?
However, the nose has to be small as well.
- Why? - If the nose is too big, the viewers who are watching...
will not be able to concentrate.
- Why? - Alberto would already be fired.
I...
When we look at the face,
it has to be like the Chinese character for country.
- The character for country. - The face has to be shaped like that.
- Yes, that's right. - That's Hyun-moo.
- You look for a face like that? - Yes, that's right.
He does resemble Jun Hyun-moo a little.
- Do I look like that?- Yes.
- That's shocking. - He's a very famous news announcer in China.
- He works at CCTV. - He does have big eyes.
- Yes. - He does seem trustworthy.
(It's a face that you can trust.)
Strangely enough in India,
news announcers with a loud voice are more popular than good-looking ones.
It's most likely because you have to hold the viewers during breaking news.
- It's an endless stream of breaking news. - "We have Breaking News."
News announcers with big voices are the best.
- They always have breaking news. - Let's say he is my guest...
and I am the host of the show.
When I ask what he ate or what he did.
"What did you eat today?" You have to intimidate the guest.
- That's scary. - You have to ask like this.
- It's not a tough question, right? - You have to keep their attention.
But if you ask loudly,
people focus because they want to know why he's shouting.
(A loud voice is important)
In the case of female news announcers in Japan,
they have to appear pure...
and cute. That's the type of people we like.
- Even in the news? - In Japan the most popular news announcer is...
Asami Miura. Her nickname is Mito-chan.
- That's her nickname. We treat her almost like an idol. - Her popularity?
(She's as popular as an idol.)
Goodness. She's a news announcer?
She looks like a girl group member.
- A girl group? - Yes.
If we talk about her voice,
Japanese people speak at a higher pitch.
Like when we say this.
It's the pitch that all of you are thinking of right now.
After a Japanese person graduates from University,
we love watching the new news announcers who just passed the test.
- They are young, but... - They like them because they are young.
- You're talking about your personal preference a lot today. - No, that's not it.
- Oogi. - In Korea we have Na-gyeong.
(Embarrassed and shy)
In France we have a very sexy news announcer.
- So being sexy is important. - You know who it is.
- Guillaume, how do you know? - I hope she comes up on the screen.
- Guillaume, what's her name? - Melissa Theuriau.
(Mélissa Theuriau)
(She also appears on the TV screens in Quebec.)
- Okay. - She's like an actress.
She's famous.
She'd be very popular in Europe.
I think people would lean forward when she's on the news.
(Getting closer)
She got married in 2008, but her husband is...
the most famous comedian in France.
- So that's why I told you about that before. - Comedians are popular.
I need to go to France.
- You're married. - Goodness, that's right.
- He keeps forgetting. - What are you going to do there?
I'm going to eat bread.
(He's going to eat bread.)
The only time an attractive person comes on the news...
in Mexico is when it's about the weather.
But when it comes to news announcers,
you can't see a pretty person often.
The news announcer has to give us the background information.
Experience is also an important criteria. That's what we believe.
The older you are the more trustworthy you will seem.
I think it's only in Japan and Korea that we have...
- all these set criteria for female news announcers. - Right
They have to be pretty and pure.
We only discussed the physical criteria of news announcers.
What's the most important requirement that a news announcer needs?
I believe the most important requirement of a news announcer is sensitivity.
Because we are the bridge between the broadcasting station and...
the viewers. That's our role.
You have to be able to empathize and...
you also have to be able to express events with a rich vocabulary.
If you have an extensive vocabulary, it will give you an edge.
That was very well said. Thank you.
We just held the 115th Non Summit with Announcer An Na-gyeong.
"Am I unusual for wanting to deliver only trustworthy news?"
This issue will be...
decided by the person who handpicked An Na-gyeong.
We will answer this with words from Sohn Suk-hee.
- We interviewed him. - Yes, we will end it with this.
This issue will be...
decided by the person who handpicked An Na-gyeong.
We will answer this with words from Sohn Suk-hee.
- We interviewed him. - Yes, we will end it with this.
Mr. Sohn, could you come out now?
- Mr. Sohn? - "Yes,"
"Hello".
"We just listened to An Na-gyeong's issue."
"This issue..."
"won't be a problem as long as the viewership for honest reporting doesn't stop."
(Laughing)
How can you be even more flippant?
- "If you are sorry than apologize." - "As long as you know"...
- You only got so far. - I can't do it.
Anyway, "It won't be a problem as long as the viewership..."
"for honest reporting doesn't stop."
"I believe that the viewer's trust will follow."
Our time is up.
- My pollack stew will get cold. - Me too.
Please share your thoughts on being on the show.
Even now I'm just grateful...
that I could experience the feeling of being a citizen of the world.
- I will always be grateful and... - She speaks so eloquently.
it was a very happy time for me.
Thank you.
(Non Summit Meeting will continue to cheer on the work done to find the truth.)
I would now like to adjourn our Non Summit Meeting.
- Until the day we all become normal. - What is today's topic?
How do they sign off on "JTBC News Room"?
We will now end the JTBC News Room. We will do our best again tomorrow.
(Getting ready)
Do you have to do this?
(I'm going to copy him, too.)
What are you doing.
You look like an old person.
Why did they do this in the past?
- It's what older people do. - It because I kept sliding down.
This part keeps sliding.
We will do our best again tomorrow. Thank you.
(Non Summit Meeting will do our best again next week.)
(Tapping)
Currently the President of the Philippines is...
starting a war with drug dealers and this is becoming a controversial issue.
There have been 1916 people killed.
He's saying it's cleaning the country.
He said that they could be killed without a trial.
A five year old girl was shot and killed.
- There's a reason for these killings. - They're being killed without a trial.
Without taking extreme measures is there another way?
(Is this terrorism or justice?)
Since we mentioned it, let's be blunt.
It's time to be blunt, Global Side Dishes Time.
When I worked there, she was considered someone we couldn't sleep with.
I will blow up your brains.
He said that Mexicans were rapists.
(Who is the rudest politician?)
I am so competitive that I would rather die than lose.
A politician challenged him to a sword duel.
These two car companies have been competing against each other for a 100 years.
- During the War of 1812, they did this. - They were composed.
(What is the historical clash that Mark is explaining?)
(Non Summit Meeting airs every Monday at 10:50pm.)
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